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amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#1] posted on: 08-14-2008 03:30 AM CST (US). News - Dec 22, 2008: The official γ1 website is now live. Introduction I am pleased to announce the γ1 ("gamma 1") project, a miniature but full-featured stereo DAC offering a high level of performance, flexibility and configurability. I had expressed an interest in a DAC project for quite some time. MisterX and I have been working on it for several months and the circuit evolved into something that we both feel is ready for prime time. We have also solicited the feedback from a few other people offline. I think at this stage the schematic is fairly firm, although not cast in concrete. Your feedback will be, as always, appreciated. We believe that this little DAC with the big heart will be a superior companion for high-quality portable amps like the Mini³ v2 and others, and is good enough to serve as a quality home/desktop DAC. There has been no shortage of DIY DACs of late, but we hope this one should be compelling enough to make you take notice. Basic feature set - Designed for the Hammond 1455C80x case (same as Mini³ v2). Modularity Due to γ1's modular nature, there are five main possible configurations:
γ1 boards The boards will be supplied as "sets" only. A board set includes one DAC board, one USB board, five ferrite beads, NS 9P 0.318" header (which should be separated into 3P and 5P segments for J2U and J3U). I will also stock the WM8501 DAC chip, TPS2115A power mux chip, PCM2707 and several other related parts that might be difficult to source in certain parts of the world. Main components Some of these are optional depending on the desired build configuration (see circuit description below). - Texas Intruments PCM2707 - USB interface and conversion to either S/PDIF or I²S Schematic diagram, Circuit description, PCB layout, Parts list Since the official γ1 website is now up, rather than duplicating the information here, please refer to the website.
[Edited by amb on 12-25-2008 at 06:17 AM.] Attachment: C4423.png,C4426.png,C4425.png |
| mwofsi Member Joined: Feb. 15, 2008 | Message [#2] posted on: 08-14-2008 04:54 AM CST (US).
Ooh, sounds interesting, perhaps some crossover with the TwistedPear Opus? The neat, small trouble free form factor is cool. Mindyou, it's got to be said I for one was looking forward to the first fully discreet DAC from amb? |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#3] posted on: 08-14-2008 05:07 AM CST (US).
Lol, the reality is that it's virtually impossible to achieve the performance of the better modern DAC chips with discrete parts. The only place for a discrete solution might be in an I/V or analog output stage, but in this case, our small form factor precludes it. But I'll drop a hint: there are no opamps at the output of this DAC either. |
cobaltmute![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jul. 10, 2008 | Message [#4] posted on: 08-14-2008 05:44 AM CST (US). So are you planning on the WM8716 or the WM874041? I had been looking at the datasheets and was looking at the recommended dual DAC setup listed on the datasheet for the WM8716 as a project. |
cobaltmute![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jul. 10, 2008 | Message [#5] posted on: 08-14-2008 05:45 AM CST (US). That was supposed to say WM8740/41. Guess I shouldn't post first thing in the morning. |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#6] posted on: 08-14-2008 06:03 AM CST (US).
No, it's neither of those. The WM8740/41 are nice, but they have differential voltage outputs which would require external circuitry (opamps or a special converter chip) for unbalanced line-out. The WM8716 does have unbalanced voltage outs, but is fancier than it needs to be for this application. Remember we are working with very tight confines and limited board area. Wait until I post the schematic. I'll describe the chip choices and the reasons behind them. |
cobaltmute![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jul. 10, 2008 | Message [#7] posted on: 08-14-2008 06:55 AM CST (US). Patience is a virtue I guess then. I have just finished an AlienDAC and in its inital setup found it a little underwhelming so I very interested in seeing what comes of this. Especially since you say most of it is through hole. |
heady![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jun. 15, 2004 | Message [#8] posted on: 08-14-2008 07:17 AM CST (US).
I second that. I was just thinking of a DAC project to do and was looking at the Bantam DAC but this sounds more interesting. Go for it! But don't make us too virtuous by making us wait too long. Btw - I hope the parts won't be too difficult to get. [Edited by heady on 08-14-2008 at 07:20 AM.] |
cobaltmute![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jul. 10, 2008 | Message [#9] posted on: 08-14-2008 07:58 AM CST (US). Looking at the Wolfson site, I can see a couple of alternatives that amb may be thinking about. With the though about through hole, I'm guessing one of the SOIC chips so us mere mortals can solder it. Definitely curious about this. I wonder how good a WM8727 could sound with a good design around it. The DAC is so small it makes a lot of room for supporting chips. |
| yuujin Member Joined: Mar. 18, 2007 | Message [#10] posted on: 08-14-2008 11:29 AM CST (US). wow...i might just choose to do this over the buffalo! (since its ALWAYS out of stock) will you be making a I/V board for tube users? |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#11] posted on: 08-14-2008 11:44 AM CST (US).
This is a prime concern for us as well. We worked very hard to make sure all parts are available from Digi-Key, Mouser, or through me.
No I/V board is needed. The DAC chip has voltage outputs, not current. [Edited by amb on 08-14-2008 at 11:46 AM.] |
| yuujin Member Joined: Mar. 18, 2007 | Message [#12] posted on: 08-14-2008 08:35 PM CST (US). yelp. so much for late night postings. sorry for the mistake... |
dougigs![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Sep. 21, 2005 | Message [#13] posted on: 08-14-2008 09:44 PM CST (US). Good stuff, amb. This project fills a significant gap in the DIY-sphere: a USB bus-powered DAC that doesn't rely on the sonically inferior PCM27XX chips for digital-to-analogue conversion - - these are decent chips for USB-to-SPDIF or I2S conversion, but their audio output is not as good as the line-out on the bottom of an IPod - - not by a wide margin. The Wolfson chips are as good (in fact, they're the very chips used in the better-quality generation 5 IPods), and I suspect they can be made better. I would hope that you can have the USB converter go from USB to I2S to drive the DAC's input, so we can avoid the troubles of SPDIF altogether. I would also hope that a battery-power option can be considered for the DAC side of this unit. Power supply isolation issues are going to be a design challenge here. A lot of new laptops manage power by scaling the clock speed of the CPU dramatically, switching it from very slow to very fast when loads appear; this creates very audible and hard-to-filter nastiness on the USB power buses (as well as the harder-to-manage problem of varying USB clock speeds on many systems). Another design challenge is giving the Wolfson chip a DC-coupled output. Personally I think these things sound excellent with an electrolytic cap on the output, but in keeping with the principles of your other designs, you might want to find a way to DC couple it (which probably sounds marginally better). I'm not sure whether this could be done easily by applying a countervailing DC bias (probably before a simple buffer). I actually removed the output capacitors from my Wolfson DAC and ran it through a CK²III, using its DC servo to zero the output... But that really is not the intended use of this design. I hope you can leave space for a good-quality transformer input on the SPDIF. This makes a significant difference. Finally, I hope this is a trial project before you try to tackle a really no-compromise, non-portable, no-expenses spared DAC with differential outputs... a y24, maybe. |
Mister X![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Jul. 23, 2003 | Message [#14] posted on: 08-14-2008 10:16 PM CST (US).
There currently is an option for "simplified" USB to I2S to DAC configuration but it remains to be seen if that will survive the prototype process.
You could always a plug an external battery pack into the DC power jack but given the size of the default enclosure I think that is far as a battery powered option will go.
The feasibility of that is questionable with the DAC chip we have selected.
That is the plan. [Edited by Mister X on 08-15-2008 at 12:19 AM.] |
| MrMajestic2 Member Joined: Jun. 5, 2007 | Message [#15] posted on: 08-14-2008 11:36 PM CST (US). Cool, cant wait to build it ![]() |
cobaltmute![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jul. 10, 2008 | Message [#16] posted on: 08-15-2008 06:57 AM CST (US). Is it going to be built with a standard USB or mini-USB socket? Mini-USB would be nice to keep travel cable weight and size down. |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#17] posted on: 08-15-2008 07:01 AM CST (US).
We're using Mini-USB. Not for the reason you state, but because it uses less space, both in terms of board area and panel area. Of course a slimmer cable is a bonus. |
cobaltmute![]() HeadWizer Joined: Jul. 10, 2008 | Message [#18] posted on: 08-15-2008 07:34 AM CST (US).
I thought the smaller board space after I posted and thought about an edit to comment on that but I was just too lazy. Is the USB to I2S/SPDIF the "standard" PCM2704/7 approach or do you have some magic up your sleeve? |
Mister X![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Jul. 23, 2003 | Message [#19] posted on: 08-15-2008 01:38 PM CST (US). Nope, no magic. The standard approach is adequate. ![]() (the PCM2704 cannot be configured to output I2S data, did you mean the PCM2706?) |
dsavitsk![]() HeadWizer Joined: Sep. 20, 2005 | Message [#20] posted on: 08-15-2008 01:45 PM CST (US).
A nice touch might be a spot for a SRC4192 -- would allow reclocking of the I2S as well as some jitter reduction. It's easy to jumper over as well. |
dougigs![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Sep. 21, 2005 | Message [#21] posted on: 08-15-2008 03:13 PM CST (US). SRC4192 would definitely raise this above the level of standard USB DAC projects. But it sounds like you're very much headed in the right direction. |
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