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amb



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Edit Message Message [#240] posted on: 02-16-2009 12:05 AM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
OPA627 should have very low DC offset. As MisterX suggested, try swapping the opamp between channels and see if the DC offset problem moves with the opamp.
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Edit Message Message [#241] posted on: 02-16-2009 02:42 AM CST (US).    View Profile for headphone1235   Send PM  to headphone1235   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hey guys, nearly close to the completion of my m3 and o11 kits. I'm wondering if this opamp is suitable for the kit:

http://search.di...ame=OPA627AP-ND


Thanks in advance.

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Edit Message Message [#242] posted on: 02-16-2009 04:06 AM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Yes it is, and listed on the M³ website as a recommended opamp.
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Edit Message Message [#243] posted on: 02-17-2009 12:49 AM CST (US).    View Profile for niksh   Send PM  to niksh   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi AMB or anyone,
Is it safe to run power supply 30V driving AD843 (datasheet +/-15, absolute max +/-1<cool>? What is the best ratio between voltage/quiescent current setting without too much heat. I know that there is a recommended voltage/max quiescent current setting. Currently, I am running M3 with 30V and 90mV quiescent current, using Q11 power supply, 40VDC/2Amp tranny with C5 4400uF and C11 2200uF on Q11; and M3 C7 3760uF. Fyi, I m running M3 mostly to drive fostex 206.
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Edit Message Message [#244] posted on: 02-17-2009 12:56 AM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
niksh, yes, 30V is safe for AD843. As for the quiescent current, it depends on the size of heatsinks you used and how well ventilated your enclosure is. If you could still touch the heatsinks for a few seconds after fully warmed up without being uncomfortable, then it's fine.
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Edit Message Message [#245] posted on: 02-17-2009 05:16 AM CST (US).    View Profile for niksh   Send PM  to niksh   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Thanks AMB, that was quick, you never sleep huh?
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Edit Message Message [#246] posted on: 02-18-2009 05:41 AM CST (US).    View Profile for odilon_df   Send PM  to odilon_df   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi AMB, please help me on some stupid think I have done:

I finished my M3 an everytinhk looks fine. Operatin points adjusted , nice sound.
I put it on case and was listening yesterday but I feel the right channel was higher than left... May be the cable or my I pod... But what i saw was different: When put signal on left input only I hear the left channel ony on my phones BUT When I put signal on right channel I hear sound both in left and right channel at the same level... My first thik is that the inpumey be short circuited but in this case i immagine that was no difference on put signal on left or right channel....
What may wrong?

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Edit Message Message [#247] posted on: 02-18-2009 05:45 AM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
odilon_df, check your input and output wiring.
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Edit Message Message [#248] posted on: 02-18-2009 06:02 PM CST (US).    View Profile for onesandzeros   Send PM  to onesandzeros   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
What do you folks think about burn-in? I mean, do you buy it? For drivers, with membranes that flex, I guess I can see it. But, for electronics, I'm pretty skeptical. However, my M3 has been alive for about 48 hours now, and I think its sound is improving. Hmmm.

Thanks for your work on this, amb, works great with my sigma11. I figure I'll get it cased up by 2011, and then... beta22 and sigma22... <big grin>

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Edit Message Message [#249] posted on: 02-18-2009 09:51 PM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
For a class A amp, letting the circuit warm up fully makes good sense to allow it to settle into its equilibrium. But burn-in? No. I don't really believe in it, at least not for this amp. None of M³'s parts should change in any substantive way over the initial hours, days or months.

With certain amps, especially those that have NOS parts (i.e., tubes or electrolytic caps) that have been sitting on the shelf for years, burn-in might rejuvenate the parts and make an actual difference. But that clearly isn't the case with this amp.

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Edit Message Message [#250] posted on: 02-19-2009 09:14 AM CST (US).    View Profile for habba   Send PM  to habba   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi amb,

on my previous post, the high dc offset problem was following the opamp. does it means that it's faulty?

I've recheck everything and found out that my bass boost was at max. The voltage was lowered to 4mv, when bass boost was set to min. Increasing the vol had also increased the voltages for both the L and R channel while gnd channel stayed under 1mV.

is everything fine?

[Edited by habba on 02-19-2009 at 10:04 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#251] posted on: 02-19-2009 02:03 PM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Yes, bass boost and volume should be all set to minimum when checking DC offset. Sounds like all is well.
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Edit Message Message [#252] posted on: 02-23-2009 11:20 AM CST (US).    View Profile for habba   Send PM  to habba   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi amb,

i have this Zz sound whenever i touch my vol knob or bass knob.
I've tied a ground from the potentiometer to the board.
why is this happening?

[Edited by habba on 02-23-2009 at 11:20 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#253] posted on: 02-23-2009 03:17 PM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!

[Quoting habba]

i have this Zz sound whenever i touch my vol knob or bass knob.
I've tied a ground from the potentiometer to the board.
why is this happening?



If you have a M³ v1.01 board, then please see the special notes about the ground pads near the volume pot.

[Edited by amb on 02-23-2009 at 03:17 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#254] posted on: 02-23-2009 09:59 PM CST (US).    View Profile for wiatrob   Send PM  to wiatrob   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Found the cause of the short that (temporarily) killed my sigma 11 and corrected it (pinhole in some heatshrink allowing R signal to make case contact...). A few tweaks and this baby will be complete. Sounds even better than when I had it mounted to a board- probably because it looks so much better now! Thanks!
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Edit Message Message [#255] posted on: 02-24-2009 01:34 AM CST (US).    View Profile for habba   Send PM  to habba   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi amb,

Yes i've read the special notes and done according to it, but i had connect it to IG on the input 1 block instead.

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Edit Message Message [#256] posted on: 02-24-2009 02:30 AM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Habba, ok, make sure that the pots are really grounded by measuring the resistance between IG on the board and the pot's metal shaft.
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Edit Message Message [#257] posted on: 02-26-2009 12:34 PM CST (US).    View Profile for habba   Send PM  to habba   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
hi amb,

the pots shaft to IG is 0 ohm.
another issue is that whenever i touch the metal knob, i get a small electric shock. i get a small buzzing feeling when i stroke the metal casing of my player when it's connected as well.

i cant seems to find the problem.
I've connect the IG to the metal chassis,
DC power and output jacks are isolated.

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Edit Message Message [#258] posted on: 02-26-2009 03:21 PM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
habba, is the power supply in the same case as the amp? And if so, is the AC ground connected to the case? I wonder if your house AC wiring might be wired incorrectly.
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Edit Message Message [#259] posted on: 02-26-2009 03:53 PM CST (US).    View Profile for habba   Send PM  to habba   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
the power supply is a external ac-dc adapter.
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Edit Message Message [#260] posted on: 02-26-2009 04:03 PM CST (US).    View Profile for amb   Send PM  to amb   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
OK. What are you using as the source (your player)? Is it AC powered? Do you still get the electric shock (either touching the amp or the player) if it's disconnected from the amp?
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