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runeight



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Edit Message Message [#220] posted on: 11-23-2005 11:48 PM CST (US).    View Profile for runeight   Send PM  to runeight   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Yes, I see. It should work fine.

Before you actually turn the amp on with the tube in it, make sure that the trimpots are set for their maximum resistance.

Also, look at the changes we made for pho_boi's amp. They may be helpful in getting your amp to work first time.

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Edit Message Message [#221] posted on: 11-24-2005 12:15 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Guitarsenal   Send PM  to Guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Wow! The filament dropping resistors are clocking in at 280 degrees F. I'm going to have to rethink the case I was planning to build this into. Going to need some ventilation...

[Edited by Guitarsenal on 11-24-2005 at 12:16 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#222] posted on: 11-24-2005 12:53 AM CST (US).    View Profile for skyskraper   Send PM  to skyskraper   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
thats way more heat then i'd be happy with, perhaps it would be a good idea to change to a larger wattage resistor?
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Edit Message Message [#223] posted on: 11-24-2005 07:34 AM CST (US).    View Profile for mains_hum   Send PM  to mains_hum   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
The filament dropping resistors are clocking in at 280 degrees F

Your resistors look to be 2W which should be fine. Yes, they will run hot and yours are only 40°F more than I measure.
Agreed, you will need to add some sort of ventilation and you do want to stand these resistors off the PCB by at least 1/2" (look at my prototype back at page 1 of this thread) to allow them to dissipate heat somewhat easier than when laid flat against the PCB. Space them slightly further apart and you should see the temperature drop back to what I measure.

Swapping out the 2W pairs for larger wattage resistors doesn't automatically mean the substitute resistor(s) will run cooler. It depends on what type you use and other factors.
Two pairs of 2W seemed a good cost compromise and easy to get anywhere.

My prototype SOHA resistors run at 115°C (240°F) for hours on end and have done so for quite a few weeks now with no ill effects, which is just as expected.

[Edited by mains_hum on 11-24-2005 at 07:42 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#224] posted on: 11-24-2005 08:26 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Batman   Send PM  to Batman   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Very nice, Guitarsenal. Yes those resistors get hot as mains_hum has said, you'll have to raise them up and provide ventilation as he says.

I've tried all the new production 12AU7's (JJ, EI, ElectroHarmonix) and they sound fine but they produce hihger plate voltages (>50V) than NOS tubes. Mains_hum tells me this is becasue the filaments of new production tubes are more efficient. At any rate the JJ sounds fine in Stoopid so long as you get the plate voltage down below 50V.

[Edited by Batman on 11-29-2005 at 12:48 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#225] posted on: 11-28-2005 10:10 PM CST (US).    View Profile for jogor   Send PM  to jogor   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
at temperatures 115°C (240°F), this is a reliability concern for the PCB. the resistor lead and PCB pads will conduct and dissipate heat as well. in the long run, you will see discolaration(PCB) and probably peeling off of the copper pad. some PCB are rated at 115°C i believe. to address this issue, increase the resistor surface area of dissipation (the body, lead and pad) by attaching it to a heat sink (by thermal epoxy).
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Edit Message Message [#226] posted on: 11-28-2005 11:20 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Batman   Send PM  to Batman   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Your points are well taken if someone does a PCB. I'm just finishing a second unit based on a PCB and what I did is to completely remove the four resistors from the PCB and mount them suspended between two terminal strips. This, I think is the best solution and addresses all of your concerns. I'll have pictures of this build in a day or so but I highly recommend mounting the resistors in this manner.
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Edit Message Message [#227] posted on: 11-29-2005 09:48 PM CST (US).    View Profile for jogor   Send PM  to jogor   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
batman, i agree with your solution simple and effective.
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Edit Message Message [#228] posted on: 12-04-2005 04:55 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Guitarsenal   Send PM  to Guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
I finished the power supply part of my SOHA amp:

I'm seeing 70 volts out of the high DC part of the power supply. That's more than the 55-60v on the diagram. Am I seeing that because there is no load on the supply?

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Edit Message Message [#229] posted on: 12-04-2005 05:24 PM CST (US).    View Profile for runeight   Send PM  to runeight   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!

quote:

[By Guitarsenal] I finished the power supply part of my SOHA amp:

I'm seeing 70 volts out of the high DC part of the power supply. That's more than the 55-60v on the diagram. Am I seeing that because there is no load on the supply?


Yes. It should drop when you attach the tube's heaters.

Nice work.

[Edited by runeight on 12-04-2005 at 05:24 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#230] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:23 PM CST (US).    View Profile for guitarsenal   Send PM  to guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
It's showing 68 volts with the heater attached.
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Edit Message Message [#231] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:30 PM CST (US).    View Profile for runeight   Send PM  to runeight   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!

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[By guitarsenal] It's showing 68 volts with the heater attached.


Wow, that's pretty high, but not deadly.

Can you measure the AC volts on the trafo secondary when everything is powered up. And then would you kindly measure the AC volts across the heater.

Also, are you using the jfets for the CCS or are you using a CC diode?

Thanks.

[Edited by runeight on 12-04-2005 at 07:32 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#232] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:48 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Guitarsenal   Send PM  to Guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
With tube heater connected:

Across 2ndary: 34.6 v
Across tube heater: 12.5 v
High volt out: 69.8 v
Bipolar out: 12.1 v, -12.1v

I haven't built the signal path for the circuit yet. I'm planning to use the CCS diodes, which should arrive tomorrow.

Just drilled the case, and now have metal shavings in my foot! <mad>

This is going to look pretty cool when it's done. Can't wait to hear it!

[Edited by Guitarsenal on 12-04-2005 at 07:49 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#233] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:53 PM CST (US).    View Profile for runeight   Send PM  to runeight   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
If you are using the 1n5297s diodes, then don't sweat the slightly high B+. They are 100V diodes. If you're using the j505s, you should still be fine since they are 50V devices.

All of your measured voltages seem to me right on target. The B+ will come down when it is loaded. So let's see where it goes.

The only thing to remember is to set the trimpots to their MAXIMUM resistance before you fire up the amp. And then dial them smaller until the plate voltages are around 40V.

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Edit Message Message [#234] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:57 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Batman   Send PM  to Batman   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
It must be his transformer. I have 31V across the secondary of my current unit. Nice job, Guitarsenal, sorry about the metal shavings. You're gonna love the way this thing sounds.
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Edit Message Message [#235] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:10 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Guitarsenal   Send PM  to Guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Is the tip of a headphone plug left, or right?
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Edit Message Message [#236] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:15 PM CST (US).    View Profile for runeight   Send PM  to runeight   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Tip is left. Ring is right. The schematic actually shows this. <smile>
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Edit Message Message [#237] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:20 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Billyk   Send PM  to Billyk   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Tip-Left, 1st Ring-Right, next ring-Ground
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Edit Message Message [#238] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:23 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Guitarsenal   Send PM  to Guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!

quote:

[By runeight] Tip is left. Ring is right. The schematic actually shows this. <smile>


Holy cow, it does!

Now I just need to sort out where everything gets wired to the tube, but I saw diagram a few pages back that had that.

Thanks!

[Edited by guitarsenal on 12-04-2005 at 08:23 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#239] posted on: 12-04-2005 09:15 PM CST (US).    View Profile for runeight   Send PM  to runeight   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
I've added the tube pin numbers to the diagrams. Here are the links again.

Basic Stoopid Hybrid Amplifier

Basic Stoopid Hybrid Amplifier 2

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Edit Message Message [#240] posted on: 12-04-2005 09:32 PM CST (US).    View Profile for guitarsenal   Send PM  to guitarsenal   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
There is a mistake in the tube pin numbering on the first drawing. Version 2 looks good.

Thanks!

I just realized that I ordered .47uf caps instead of .047uf caps for the to ground cap of the Meier crossfeed that I plan to build into this amp. I think I'll finish building the amp on Tuesday night without the crossfeed, and add that part later.

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