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runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#220] posted on: 11-23-2005 11:48 PM CST (US). Yes, I see. It should work fine. Before you actually turn the amp on with the tube in it, make sure that the trimpots are set for their maximum resistance. Also, look at the changes we made for pho_boi's amp. They may be helpful in getting your amp to work first time. |
Guitarsenal![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#221] posted on: 11-24-2005 12:15 AM CST (US). Wow! The filament dropping resistors are clocking in at 280 degrees F. I'm going to have to rethink the case I was planning to build this into. Going to need some ventilation... [Edited by Guitarsenal on 11-24-2005 at 12:16 AM.] |
skyskraper![]() HeadWizer Joined: Aug. 7, 2005 | Message [#222] posted on: 11-24-2005 12:53 AM CST (US). thats way more heat then i'd be happy with, perhaps it would be a good idea to change to a larger wattage resistor? |
mains_hum![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Aug. 19, 2003 | Message [#223] posted on: 11-24-2005 07:34 AM CST (US). The filament dropping resistors are clocking in at 280 degrees F Your resistors look to be 2W which should be fine. Yes, they will run hot and yours are only 40°F more than I measure. Swapping out the 2W pairs for larger wattage resistors doesn't automatically mean the substitute resistor(s) will run cooler. It depends on what type you use and other factors. My prototype SOHA resistors run at 115°C (240°F) for hours on end and have done so for quite a few weeks now with no ill effects, which is just as expected. [Edited by mains_hum on 11-24-2005 at 07:42 AM.] |
Batman![]() HeadWizer Joined: May 12, 2003 | Message [#224] posted on: 11-24-2005 08:26 AM CST (US). Very nice, Guitarsenal. Yes those resistors get hot as mains_hum has said, you'll have to raise them up and provide ventilation as he says. I've tried all the new production 12AU7's (JJ, EI, ElectroHarmonix) and they sound fine but they produce hihger plate voltages (>50V) than NOS tubes. Mains_hum tells me this is becasue the filaments of new production tubes are more efficient. At any rate the JJ sounds fine in Stoopid so long as you get the plate voltage down below 50V. [Edited by Batman on 11-29-2005 at 12:48 AM.] |
| jogor Member Joined: Oct. 26, 2005 | Message [#225] posted on: 11-28-2005 10:10 PM CST (US). at temperatures 115°C (240°F), this is a reliability concern for the PCB. the resistor lead and PCB pads will conduct and dissipate heat as well. in the long run, you will see discolaration(PCB) and probably peeling off of the copper pad. some PCB are rated at 115°C i believe. to address this issue, increase the resistor surface area of dissipation (the body, lead and pad) by attaching it to a heat sink (by thermal epoxy). |
Batman![]() HeadWizer Joined: May 12, 2003 | Message [#226] posted on: 11-28-2005 11:20 PM CST (US). Your points are well taken if someone does a PCB. I'm just finishing a second unit based on a PCB and what I did is to completely remove the four resistors from the PCB and mount them suspended between two terminal strips. This, I think is the best solution and addresses all of your concerns. I'll have pictures of this build in a day or so but I highly recommend mounting the resistors in this manner. |
| jogor Member Joined: Oct. 26, 2005 | Message [#227] posted on: 11-29-2005 09:48 PM CST (US). batman, i agree with your solution simple and effective. |
| Guitarsenal Member Joined: N/A | Message [#228] posted on: 12-04-2005 04:55 PM CST (US). I finished the power supply part of my SOHA amp:
I'm seeing 70 volts out of the high DC part of the power supply. That's more than the 55-60v on the diagram. Am I seeing that because there is no load on the supply? |
runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#229] posted on: 12-04-2005 05:24 PM CST (US).
Yes. It should drop when you attach the tube's heaters. Nice work. [Edited by runeight on 12-04-2005 at 05:24 PM.] |
guitarsenal![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#230] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:23 PM CST (US). It's showing 68 volts with the heater attached. |
runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#231] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:30 PM CST (US).
Wow, that's pretty high, but not deadly. Can you measure the AC volts on the trafo secondary when everything is powered up. And then would you kindly measure the AC volts across the heater. Also, are you using the jfets for the CCS or are you using a CC diode? Thanks. [Edited by runeight on 12-04-2005 at 07:32 PM.] |
Guitarsenal![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#232] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:48 PM CST (US). With tube heater connected: Across 2ndary: 34.6 v I haven't built the signal path for the circuit yet. I'm planning to use the CCS diodes, which should arrive tomorrow. Just drilled the case, and now have metal shavings in my foot! This is going to look pretty cool when it's done. Can't wait to hear it! [Edited by Guitarsenal on 12-04-2005 at 07:49 PM.] |
runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#233] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:53 PM CST (US). If you are using the 1n5297s diodes, then don't sweat the slightly high B+. They are 100V diodes. If you're using the j505s, you should still be fine since they are 50V devices. All of your measured voltages seem to me right on target. The B+ will come down when it is loaded. So let's see where it goes. The only thing to remember is to set the trimpots to their MAXIMUM resistance before you fire up the amp. And then dial them smaller until the plate voltages are around 40V. |
Batman![]() HeadWizer Joined: May 12, 2003 | Message [#234] posted on: 12-04-2005 07:57 PM CST (US). It must be his transformer. I have 31V across the secondary of my current unit. Nice job, Guitarsenal, sorry about the metal shavings. You're gonna love the way this thing sounds. |
Guitarsenal![]() HeadWizer Joined: N/A | Message [#235] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:10 PM CST (US). Is the tip of a headphone plug left, or right? |
runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#236] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:15 PM CST (US). Tip is left. Ring is right. The schematic actually shows this. ![]() |
| Billyk Member Joined: Oct. 7, 2005 | Message [#237] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:20 PM CST (US). Tip-Left, 1st Ring-Right, next ring-Ground |
| Guitarsenal Member Joined: N/A | Message [#238] posted on: 12-04-2005 08:23 PM CST (US).
Holy cow, it does! Now I just need to sort out where everything gets wired to the tube, but I saw diagram a few pages back that had that. Thanks! [Edited by guitarsenal on 12-04-2005 at 08:23 PM.] |
runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#239] posted on: 12-04-2005 09:15 PM CST (US). I've added the tube pin numbers to the diagrams. Here are the links again. |
guitarsenal![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#240] posted on: 12-04-2005 09:32 PM CST (US). There is a mistake in the tube pin numbering on the first drawing. Version 2 looks good. Thanks! I just realized that I ordered .47uf caps instead of .047uf caps for the to ground cap of the Meier crossfeed that I plan to build into this amp. I think I'll finish building the amp on Tuesday night without the crossfeed, and add that part later. |
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