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amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#1] posted on: 10-13-2005 05:11 AM CST (US). This is the new thread for my headphone protection circuit. It picks up where the old thread on head-fi leaves off. This circuit is now at revision 1.2, incorporating guzzler's modifications. The official ε12 website has been updated to reflect the rev 1.2 changes. Here is the latest schematic diagram: Here is a picture of an assembled board designed by guzzler: [Edited by amb on 02-02-2007 at 04:47 AM.] |
peranders![]() HeadWizer Joined: Aug. 31, 2001 | Message [#2] posted on: 10-14-2005 09:27 AM CST (US). Nice looking pcb. |
dougigs![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Sep. 21, 2005 | Message [#3] posted on: 10-14-2005 10:26 AM CST (US). One question, which I brought up in a pm on another forum, is the speed of the response. This probably isn't an issue at all for headphone amps, but it is a concern if you want to use this board for power amplifiers (and it looks like a great unit for protecting power amps). While exposing a headphone to 1VDC for .5sec won't damage it, exposing a tweeter to 30VDC for that long could indeed blow it up -- so you need fast relay response. There are some who believe that the use of a standard relay-damping diode, as you're using, can slow the relay down too much. I'd point to the work by some other DIYers on a similar circuit -- read the part of this article toward the end, where the speed of relay response is discussed: http://www.sound...m/project33.htm I don't know how much this is really a concern for this unit, but it's worth considering. |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#4] posted on: 10-14-2005 01:22 PM CST (US).
This circuit is specifically targetted for headphone amps, and is probably too sensitive for speaker power amps with its 70mV DC trigger threshold. Also, the Omron relay's contacts are not rated high enough for speaker use. If one really wants to use this circuit for speaker protection duty, there are a few modifications necessary: [Edited by amb on 10-14-2005 at 02:06 PM.] |
Mister X![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Jul. 23, 2003 | Message [#5] posted on: 10-21-2005 05:48 PM CST (US). Has it been two weeks yet? ;) |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#6] posted on: 10-21-2005 09:57 PM CST (US). Hehe MisterX, since you asked... I made some changes to the guzzler pcb layout (to correct the transistor orientations, fix the miswired V- to U1, added one more hole for the C5 capacitor, and changed the silkscreen to show part reference numbers (R1, R2, Q1, etc) rather than their values (3.32K, NPN, etc), plus a few other very minor trace adjustments. The board dimensions and mounting hole locations remain unchanged. I am going to call this the "official" ε12 revision 1.2 layout. Due to demand, I decided to order a small quantity of these boards, and they have just arrived today. I need to verify that they are good to use before making them available. Check the ε12 website for news. Here is a peek at the board: Top side: Bottom side: [Edited by amb on 10-21-2005 at 09:58 PM.] Attachment: C1135.jpg,C1136.jpg |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#7] posted on: 10-22-2005 09:13 AM CST (US). I have successfully verified the rev. 1.2 board and it's available now. The only minor point that needs attention is that the G1 input goes to the G2 output, and the G2 input goes to the G1 output. What this means is that when connecting to a fully-balanced amp, you need to wire your headphone jack accordingly so that the negative signals are not swapped between the two stereo channels. I've updated the website with wiring diagrams to make this clear. This issue applies to the new rev. 1.2 board as well as guzzler's original. Other than this, the rev. 1.2 board does not need to have its Q1 to Q4 transistors mounted in reverse, nor does it need the wire jumper fix. |
| teerawit Member Joined: Oct. 13, 2005 | Message [#8] posted on: 10-26-2005 02:45 PM CST (US). I have almost finished a BOM for the Epsilon 12. Anyone wanna double check my parts? ![]() |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#9] posted on: 10-26-2005 03:53 PM CST (US).
Post it. I've also added lead-spacing information for most parts to the website (under the "Parts list" section, "Recommended parts and options" heading) so go ahead and check against that too. |
Mister X![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Jul. 23, 2003 | Message [#10] posted on: 10-26-2005 07:11 PM CST (US). BOM changed to: http://www.amb.o...n12/e12_bom.txt ![]() [Edited by Mister X on 06-20-2006 at 02:18 AM.] |
| teerawit Member Joined: Oct. 13, 2005 | Message [#11] posted on: 10-26-2005 09:30 PM CST (US). Here is my list of parts from both Digi-Key and Mouser.... I will also check MisterX's parts cuz his may be higher quality :) Attachment: C1138.xls |
Pars![]() HeadWizer Joined: Nov. 12, 2003 | Message [#12] posted on: 10-27-2005 08:53 AM CST (US). As you noticed MisterX, the 22uf tantalums are a bit pricey. I got some 35V Kemets off an eBay vendor for ~$10 for 10 of them, as I wasn't going to pay ~$3 apiece for them. Also, the asterisked PN you have on the Mouser list for the 22uf cap is actually a 2.2uf (225 vs. 226) [Edited by Pars on 10-27-2005 at 08:56 AM.] |
Mister X![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Jul. 23, 2003 | Message [#13] posted on: 10-27-2005 03:47 PM CST (US). Fixt.... The offensive basterisked parts were removed. ![]() Pst... you can get cheapies from allelectronics dot com for $.75 each [Edited by Mister X on 11-08-2005 at 02:08 AM.] |
| teerawit Member Joined: Oct. 13, 2005 | Message [#14] posted on: 10-27-2005 05:00 PM CST (US). I found some Kemet tants at Digikey for 65 cents each. T491D226K025AS (also on my spreadsheet) Is this a good one? |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#15] posted on: 10-27-2005 05:09 PM CST (US).
Those are for surface-mount, not through-hole. |
| teerawit Member Joined: Oct. 13, 2005 | Message [#16] posted on: 10-27-2005 06:08 PM CST (US). Oops I didn't check that ![]() |
Pars![]() HeadWizer Joined: Nov. 12, 2003 | Message [#17] posted on: 10-27-2005 10:17 PM CST (US). I was curious about the surface mount tants also... if they had sufficient span to reach the pads, they should work just fine, no? |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#18] posted on: 10-28-2005 02:02 AM CST (US).
Yeah, I suppose... you'll have to check the fitment. |
GregVDS![]() HeadWizer Joined: Oct. 25, 2005 | Message [#19] posted on: 11-06-2005 06:57 AM CST (US). AMB, in your website description, in the power wiring, I read the epsilon12 cannot be used with a single power supply 0-XV. But you stipulate it could be possible by modification to the epsilon12 circuit. Can you explain what modifications should be done. It could be nice if this board could be used for millet or others too, without having to power the epsilon12 with another small wallwart psu. Another question: With G1 input becomes G2 output, and vice versa, why this number crossing? And a third one, ok, I understand this one will not connect immediately the headphone when power on, but what about power off. Instabilities and noise occur also at that moment. Is the epsilon12 quick enough to disconnect the headphones just before the circuit becomes instable after powering off? Many thanks, GregVDS |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#20] posted on: 11-06-2005 06:24 PM CST (US).
Yes, I am considering several options for this, and will post details when they are finalized.
Yes, it's due to a silkscreen labeling error on the PCB (or you could consider it a cross-wired trace, either way). So, I simply documented it as such.
It should. The actual delay depends on how quickly the power supply rails drop in voltage after you turn the power off. When the voltage at the relay drops below a certain threshold it will open its contacts, and this should happen before any noise is emitted on most amps. [Edited by amb on 11-06-2005 at 06:26 PM.] |
amb![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Apr. 1, 2004 | Message [#21] posted on: 11-07-2005 03:16 AM CST (US). Regarding using the ε12 with amps with single supply, but do not use a rail splitter and virtual ground (these would include the Millett Hybrid)... This type of amp almost always have its V- as the "real ground", and have an output coupling capacitor because the nature of such amps is that the output will be biased to one-half the power supply voltage. After thinking about this a bit, I have come to the conclusion that with this type of amp, there is a real need for turn-on and turn off muting, this is due to the charging and discharging of that output coupling cap. However, there is very little reason to use the DC offset protection portion of the ε12 because the output coupling cap will block the DC. The likelihood of that capacitor failing and leaking DC is quite slim. Given this line of reasoning, the solution becomes quite simple -- retain the muting delay portion of the ε12, and skip the DC offset sensing part. This removes the need for a negative supply rail in the ε12, and hence also eliminates the need for the virtual ground rail splitter on the ε12 as well. So, this means the following: This is absolutely the easiest solution, albeit with a small loss of functionality. To retain the DC offset sensing function would either require a separate and isolated power supply for the ε12, or some fairly hacky and complex changes and additions which I hesistate to recommend (because of additional parts needed that will not fit on the board). What do you think? [Edited by amb on 11-07-2005 at 06:17 AM.] |
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