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runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#1] posted on: 08-06-2005 12:21 PM CST (US). Well, headphone amp design has made another leap forward!! In a previous post several of us have described the CL MK I amplifier. Batman built this amp and there are now several other headwizers in process of building it. The team of mains_hum, batman, and runeight still wanted to improve on the MK I in several ways: 1) to remove the complexity of tube regulators, 2) to use the better differential input/feedback input stage, 3) to supply a slow start solid state power supply, and 4) to use constant current sources on the input stages. One other goal was to use only one power transformer with a single high voltage secondary and one heater secondary. To supply the input stage with its required negative bias, we used a standard back bias technique in the PS to create a -15V supply. This new amp has been built by mains_hum, Steve Culton, and jwags. They will be posting pics and listening experiences following this post. mains_hum built a slight variation on the amp which includes special lighting effect and BJT CCSs (instead of Mosfets). Diagrams for both amps are at the following links: This project was great fun to work on, especially collaborating with the rest of the team to work out this design and to hear their descriptions of how the amp sounds. Let us know what you think!!!! [Edited by runeight on 09-13-2005 at 03:36 AM.] |
mains_hum![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Aug. 19, 2003 | Message [#2] posted on: 08-06-2005 12:43 PM CST (US). As you will see shortly, there are three of these amps that have been built so far. Each is quite different from the other to look at, yet all sound very good. This one CL mkII powered is slightly frivolous in having blue LEDs added just for fun. Also, this version uses ordinary transistors rather than FETs for the CCS just to show that BJTs can be used to good effect.
I'm a fan of Sennheiser headphones, and I've auditioned this amp with my HD-600 (300Ω), along with HX-100 (32Ω) portables and MX-500 (32Ω) ear buds. Overall, this amp is closer still to a BCJ but considerably easier to build. Just for fun, here's what's the amp looks like with all LEDs lit [Edited by mains_hum on 08-06-2005 at 01:33 PM.] |
jwags818![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: N/A | Message [#3] posted on: 08-06-2005 03:33 PM CST (US). First off, I must Thank mains_hum, runeight, and Batman for the immense amount of help and question answering they endured from me during this project. This is the first electronic thing I have ever built. I am an engineer and a machinist of 18 years so I do have some pretty solid technical background. But it still would never have happened without these three guys and their never ending patience and skill. The chassis was the only thing I designed myself, and even then Batman did the layout for me. As well as some excellent documentation for everything else. So.......... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here is a link to some pics. The copper plate looks alot better in person as the lighting made every spec of dust look like a crater. bottom view Now on to the details.. Prior to my amp being built I was using a Carver C1 preamp to run my headphones and I thought it hard to imagine it sounding any better than it already did. First off the amp is dead dead dead quiet. We are talking so quiet I thought it wasn't working when I first powered it up. Even full volume produces ZERO buzz or hum. I listen mostly to acoustic music. Pop Piano and classical for the most part. And I have to say this is the best sounding system I have ever heard. Bar none. Nothing even comes close. |
Steve Culton![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: N/A | Message [#4] posted on: 08-07-2005 01:45 PM CST (US). * href="http://mysite.verizon.net/vze22yzp/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Steves_CL_MkII_2.JPG">Steve's CL MKII * So this is my CL Mk II. Some contruction notes: I took my sweet time on this; I actually began in January. My design is based on the Bottlehead amps which make up the rest of my system. I started with an aluminum chassis plate, polished with a wire wheel, then drilled and cut holes, fisnishing with several coats of gloss lacquer. The tranny bell had to be stripped and polished before it too received a coat of the lacquer. It also has semi gloss black on the sides. The base is maple and has a nine layer hand-rubbed finish. Built the power supply first, then promptly blew it up by wiring a FET backwards. (I highly recommend to anyone building this that you build the PS first; makes it easier to find wiring errors.) After getting the PS right, I completed the circuit part. Well, not really as I wired my CCS boards wrong. While trying to figure THAT out I blew another FET. Jeff came to my rescue with some CCS boards he built, and we finally got this sucker working. OK, how's it sound? (Like I'm going to say, "uh, it's OK"...) For starters, it's dead balls quiet. It's definitely better than the Cavalli Jones: better, tighter, bass; bigger soundstage; more details revealed. And the tube sound...this is what good audio is all about! I'm currently running it with my TT into my Bottlehead Seduction phono stage, and it kicks some serious burro. Using TungSol Black Plates and gold pin Amperex PQ 6922s. The sound is just fantastic. Hats off to mains and runeight and Batman for their design/layout/construction help. As usual, if it weren't for them, I wouldn't have been able to build this. |
Steve Culton![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: N/A | Message [#5] posted on: 08-07-2005 01:47 PM CST (US). Let's try this for an amp picture:
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Steve Culton![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: N/A | Message [#6] posted on: 08-07-2005 01:48 PM CST (US). I give up. |
Steve Culton![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: N/A | Message [#7] posted on: 08-07-2005 01:54 PM CST (US). Finally? |
Batman![]() HeadWizer Joined: May 12, 2003 | Message [#8] posted on: 08-07-2005 04:16 PM CST (US). Each of these amps is unique and highlights the skills of each of the builders. I can't decide on a favorite cause they're all stellar. Great jobs, guys It was a whole lot of fun watching these amps come to life.To help Steve and jwags818 with the construction, we made three-layer pictoral drawings of the wiring. Each layer of the drawing shows the wiring of a different section of the amp. To see one page, click HERE We've also created a list of parts with part numbers from the usual American suppliers. Some of the circuits of the amp are built on perf boards to simplify constrution. We made drawings of these circuit boards to assist with their construction. What was the most fun was making a dimensioned drawing of the chassis mechanical layout and watching jwgs818 bring it to life with CNC machinery. To help those who may be interested in building the conventional version, I've assembled a zip file that contains the pictoral wiring guide,drawings of the ciruit boards, the parts list and the dimensioned chassis. This file can be downloaded from HERE Note that the pictoral drawings are "printed" on pdf "paper" that is 17x 22 inches. One can zoom the drawings 200% and see the fine detail of the wiring of any part. I also have a pictoral drawing for Steve's Bottlehead layout if anyone is interested in that. [Edited by Batman on 08-07-2005 at 04:35 PM.] |
mikey![]() HeadWizer Joined: N/A | Message [#9] posted on: 08-09-2005 11:31 PM CST (US). whoa!! these amps are gorgeous! love the woodwork. jwags did you craft your own volume knobs?indeed inspiring - congrats ![]() |
jwags818![]() HeadWizer Joined: N/A | Message [#10] posted on: 08-10-2005 09:23 AM CST (US). Yes..The chassis is about the only thing I did design. The wood is black walnut and the metal is copper sheet. I work at a machine shop so I have access to alot of cool machines. I need to redo the clearcoat on the front panel with something harder as the stuff I used did not hold up well and it ia already scratched and oxidizing in a few spots. But the top plate is holding up fine. Jeff |
Steve Culton![]() HeadWizer Joined: N/A | Message [#11] posted on: 09-09-2005 09:53 AM CST (US). Just in case you missed it on your summer vacation, I wanted to repost this to the top of the topic foodchain. |
jwags818![]() HeadWizer Joined: N/A | Message [#12] posted on: 09-09-2005 11:47 AM CST (US). I wanted to post again just to get the attention of anyone researching a headphone amp to build. I do not believe you will find a better sounding headphone amp no matter how much you spend building it. This amp performs better than I am able to convey in words. The power and speed give it effortless sound with incredible tonal accuracy. Dynamic range is only limited by the source. And you have never heard symphonies with such realistic power and detail unless you were sitting in the front row. I STRONGLY urge anyone looking for a desktop headphone amp to give this baby serious consideration. Every aspect of this design was carefully thought out and tested, revised and retested. Accurate regulated power supply Fast accurate CCS Slow Start Circuit OTL design for accurate tonal reproduction Negative Feedback Pot to adjust for different Impedance cans. I can't think of anything else these guys could have added to this amp to make it any better. I did add a stepped attenuator here recently and another level of focus was achieved. But it was great before I added this. Now it is even better. |
Steve Culton![]() HeadWizer Joined: N/A | Message [#13] posted on: 09-09-2005 12:29 PM CST (US). But Jeff, how do you REALLY feel about your amp?... ;-) |
PRR![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 18, 2002 | Message [#14] posted on: 09-10-2005 09:53 PM CST (US). Not to interrupt the joy, but: surely the power supply could be ~33% simpler? Attachment: C1076.gif |
| akino Member Joined: Sep. 5, 2005 | Message [#15] posted on: 09-13-2005 07:51 AM CST (US). I just finished building the BB otl. It sounds pretty good, but I'm on a roll and have some parts on hand. I would like to give this version a go. All of these look awesome btw. I have an older transfomer, but it is rated 350-0-350 @ 55ma and 6.3v @ 2.5a Do you think this would work? Thanks, akino |
| adhoc Member Joined: May 26, 2003 | Message [#16] posted on: 09-14-2005 05:21 AM CST (US). has anyone compared this to a CL mk1? Batman, btw I'm still in the process of procuring parts (75% complete now) for a mk1. ;) |
| jwags818 Member Joined: N/A | Message [#17] posted on: 09-14-2005 09:54 AM CST (US). I was in the same boat as you when I first met these guys. I was asking about building an MK1 and they talked me into building an MK2. I think most of the parts are the same. If I was in your position I would certainly build the MK2. Unless you have bought some expensive parts that won't be used in the mk2. I can't tell you the difference as I have not heard an MK1. But I can tell you that you will in no way be disappointed with an MK2. It really is THAT GOOD! Simply amazing... Jeff |
runeight![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Mar. 8, 2002 | Message [#18] posted on: 10-09-2005 05:15 PM CST (US). PRR's suggested change to the PS makes it simpler with less components. And it has just about as low a ripple at the output of the regulator. The only change is that that pass mosfet will dissipate a little more than twice the power as before. It will need a good heatsink to relieve it of the 10W that it must shed. The error mosfet will dissipate about 600mW and will need a small heatsink. [Edited by runeight on 10-09-2005 at 07:41 PM.] |
Mikey4![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#19] posted on: 10-18-2005 09:59 AM CST (US). To reduce the heat load using the simplified single stage voltage regulator how about using a transformer with a lower secondary voltage such as the Hammond 260E (225-0-225). If you think this would work would any other circuit changes be required? Is anything to be gained by using DC on the filaments? Thanks...Mike |
| adhoc Member Joined: May 26, 2003 | Message [#20] posted on: 10-30-2005 12:19 AM CST (US). "Is anything to be gained by using DC on the filaments?" well for starters you'd cut down on the likelihood of having AC-induced hum straightaway. |
mains_hum![]() ![]() HeadWize Fanatic Joined: Aug. 19, 2003 | Message [#21] posted on: 10-30-2005 08:39 AM CST (US). Akino I have an older transfomer, but it is rated 350-0-350 @ 55ma and 6.3v @ 2.5a Sad to say no. You would need to drop a lot of volts and it doesn't supply enough current for the HT or the filament supplies. "Is anything to be gained by using DC on the filaments?" |
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