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fa-schmidt


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Edit Message Message [#1] posted on: 05-14-2005 04:44 PM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Here we go again:

www.fa-schmidt.de/yaha/index.htm

Hope you will enjoy it.

YAHA stands for Yet Another Hybrid Amp.

[Edited by fa-schmidt on 05-15-2005 at 03:33 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#2] posted on: 05-14-2005 05:11 PM CST (US).    View Profile for cmoy   Send PM  to cmoy   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
fa-schmidt, pls edit the above post. I accidentally deleted the other thread.

[Edited by on 05-14-2005 at 05:15 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#3] posted on: 05-15-2005 03:53 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Thraxeh   Send PM  to Thraxeh   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
the image links arnt working :S
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Edit Message Message [#4] posted on: 05-15-2005 05:45 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Thraxeh:
Which browser do you use ?
Is www.fa-schmidt.de signed as a trusted site in your browser ?

(Dammit, this html stuff is not my world. I tried to save CMOY
bandwidth. So i wrote the article using Office2003 / Word and saved the
document as htm before i transfered to my webspace.)

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Edit Message Message [#5] posted on: 05-15-2005 05:51 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Thraxeh   Send PM  to Thraxeh   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Firefox

i just tryed with IE and it works.

btw, i like the amp, very compact :)

i have a OPA2132 opamp, so thats a start.

[Edited by Thraxeh on 05-15-2005 at 05:54 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#6] posted on: 05-15-2005 05:57 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Fixed a problem with scripting. Link should now work better.

OPA 2132 should be a good match.

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Edit Message Message [#7] posted on: 05-15-2005 04:12 PM CST (US).    View Profile for cmoy   Send PM  to cmoy   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Yay! a portable tube amp!!! Many rechargeable batteries now provide voltages of 1.4 to 1.5V, so you might be able to get away with as few as 8 AA batteries.

How low can the 12VDC supply fall and still allow the amp to operate?

What is the gain on the tube input stage?

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Edit Message Message [#8] posted on: 05-16-2005 02:44 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Great Altoids tin hybrid amp.
I'm interested in low voltage amp.
It looks good solution.

As a portable only use, instead of LM317-CCS, 5 x AA-size rechargeable batteries seems good choice for the heater supply.

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Edit Message Message [#9] posted on: 05-16-2005 03:32 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
CMOY:
Yes, 8 NiMh do the job.
The supply voltage can go as low as 10VDC before the CCS
stops working.

The gain of the tube stage is 10..15. It depends a bit on the
tube i use. The prototype uses a PCC189.

Sijosae:
You are right. Maybe this makes sense if you want to seperate
tube heating from B+.
But since i wanted to use single 12VDC lead cells i did not follow this
idea.

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Edit Message Message [#10] posted on: 05-19-2005 07:10 AM CST (US).    View Profile for evo   Send PM  to evo   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi fa-schmidt,

sorry but the link to the 'circuit diagram' in your YAHA page doesn't work.

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Edit Message Message [#11] posted on: 05-19-2005 07:43 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
evo:
Thank you. I will fix that link asap.
(The contents that link should show is the same as in
the picture at the beginning of the article.)
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Edit Message Message [#12] posted on: 05-20-2005 05:39 AM CST (US).    View Profile for RainerB   Send PM  to RainerB   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi fa-schmidt,

very, very interesting. I still have some tubes (E88CC, 12AX7, 6922 etc.) for a tube amp but haven't made it to build an amp up to now. The design is very simple, perhaps I will give it a try in the next time.

How about higher supply voltages? Did you try to use 18V or more? Depends on the opamp, I know.

Rainer

[Edited by RainerB on 05-20-2005 at 05:47 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#13] posted on: 05-20-2005 06:14 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
This amp will truly benefit from higher supply voltages.
It probably will be less portable, then.

Using higher B+ calls for adjustment of the plate resistor
as described.

Sure, the opamp supply voltage is another criteria.

The NJM opamp is good for 36VDC unipolar.

(Dammit. Thereīs a typo in the schematic. Itīs NJM 4556, not
4456. Time for a major update during the weekend..).

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Edit Message Message [#14] posted on: 05-21-2005 06:00 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Tomo   Send PM  to Tomo   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hey,

Count me in. I found a nice SWITCHING(!!) PSU going probably around 30V or so. (Yesh me a heretic)

Thank you for putting this up. I was going totally non-tube mentally as well as physically. I needed some glass in my life. ;)

I am gonna go chasis hunting next weekend.

Tomo

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Edit Message Message [#15] posted on: 05-21-2005 01:14 PM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi Tomo !
Nice to hear from you again.

For home use i bought a switched ps giving 12VDC@1200mA.
A little additional filtering is needed to get it noise free.
But that is simple and done by an RC filter 10R / 2200uF.

Good hunting !

(I know you donīt drink so a vaccum tube is what you need).

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Edit Message Message [#16] posted on: 05-23-2005 04:55 AM CST (US).    View Profile for RainerB   Send PM  to RainerB   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi fa-schmidt,

the link to the YAHA schematics in your site is still wrong.

Rainer

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Edit Message Message [#17] posted on: 05-23-2005 06:25 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fa-schmidt   Send PM  to fa-schmidt   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Thanks, Rainer.
I couldnīt get it corrected during the weekend and i am afraid
that i donīt find the time to fix it within the next few days..
Iīll be offline from Tuesday to Saturday due to business affairs.
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Edit Message Message [#18] posted on: 05-26-2005 04:30 AM CST (US).    View Profile for digi01   Send PM  to digi01   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
very cute design,I will try.
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Edit Message Message [#19] posted on: 05-27-2005 07:36 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Tomo   Send PM  to Tomo   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Tomo Reporting from Tokyo!

I have completed and listening to my new AD-HOC YAHA amp. Pretty cool. I never knew low voltage running tube amp would be pretty decent.

Why ad-hoc? I had to make few modifications. I didn't have LM317 in stock so I used LM337. (This has to be connected to GROUND not to +B. This is on LM337 spec sheet.)

And, I COULD NOT GET A HAND ON NJM4556! They had NJM4558 and NJM4580. I tried few other stores in Akihabara with negative hits. :( Anyways, so I picked up an NJM4580. It's a pin-compartible opamp with 50mA (to short).

My plate resistor is around 50kohms. And, the output resistor is 500 ohms(!). I smashed my old kit and pulled them. (Somehow I lost entire resistor stock. ...)

Lastly, my current source resistor is 4.7 ohms. Supposedly I should be getting 200-300mA. I am a bit worried because the tube is pretty bright and beautiful.

Tomo

P.S. I am using Ei ECC88. Did you know Ei survived the civil war? I think it's a wonderful news! I also have Tesla ECC88 to try out.

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Edit Message Message [#20] posted on: 05-27-2005 07:39 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Tomo   Send PM  to Tomo   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hey,

JRC is no longer producing NJM4556. Poo!

T

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Edit Message Message [#21] posted on: 05-28-2005 02:06 PM CST (US).    View Profile for RainerB   Send PM  to RainerB   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Also positive results from the other side of the world. :-))

Made a YAHA prototype yesterday:

This time with 22V supply, 6922, plate resistor has to be 470k for half supply at plate, output via OPA2134, output caps = 1000uF. The on/off bump in the headphones is neglectible, perhaps due to the 3 x 4700uF caps in the power supply.

Sound: somehow very even, warm and also refined. The sound is very different from pure opamp-based amps. I think it will get a final version with 24V or more supply, Rp=440k + 250k pot.

One question: LM317 with 2x8.6 ohms makes 200mA filament current. But why is the voltage over 4-5 neraly 18V????? Shouldn\\'t it be 6.3V? Confusing.

Rainer

[Edited by RainerB on 05-28-2005 at 02:09 PM.]

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