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sijosae

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Edit Message Message [#1] posted on: 10-21-2003 04:13 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
I built a tiny Apheared 47 again.
Instead of TLE2426, I used discrete rail splitter.

This is a schematic of the discrete rail splitter.

Protoboard version with caps.

My first SMD PCB version by using toner transfer method.

This rail splitter work well even with a single 1.5V battery.
Its power consumption is about 1 - 1.5 mA. (at 9V supply)

This is an Apheared 47.
Four resistors are lie beneath the OP-Amps.
I used JRC4580 as a dual OP-amp. Its maximum output current is 50mA per channel.

I did not build a proper case yet.
Following is a temporary case.

[Edited by sijosae on 10-21-2003 at 09:37 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#2] posted on: 10-21-2003 06:24 AM CST (US).    View Profile for morsel   Send PM  to morsel   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Very cool, Sijosae! Is the TLE2426 hard to get in Korea?
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Edit Message Message [#3] posted on: 10-21-2003 07:16 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Thanks, Morsel
Not easy, but it is possible to get TLE2426.
I have about 30 TLE2426s.

To enjoy DIY itself, I built this rail splitter. <big grin>

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Edit Message Message [#4] posted on: 10-21-2003 10:07 AM CST (US).    View Profile for 300_baud   Send PM  to 300_baud   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi Sijosae,

Nice job again as always! <smile>

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Edit Message Message [#5] posted on: 10-21-2003 12:27 PM CST (US).    View Profile for goldbond   Send PM  to goldbond   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
What sort of sockets are you using for the ICs, Splitter, and input/output lines? I tried to locate some of these for my most recent project, but to no avail.
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Edit Message Message [#6] posted on: 10-21-2003 02:06 PM CST (US).    View Profile for cmoy   Send PM  to cmoy   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Sijosae, there's so much room left in the box!! <big grin> Very nice and thanks for posting that circuit for the discrete rail splitter.

What is the max. current output of the discrete splitter?

[Edited by cmoy on 10-21-2003 at 07:06 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#7] posted on: 10-21-2003 05:53 PM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Goldbond, in Korea, we call those sockets "IC strip socket". This socket is very common in here.

Cmoy,
I did biased current load test (i.e. current load only into the V+ and GND).
Maximum biased load of TLE2426CLP was about 35 mA at +24VDC supply.
This discrete rail splitter (TO-92 version) was good up to 100 mA.

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Edit Message Message [#8] posted on: 10-21-2003 09:10 PM CST (US).    View Profile for stereth   Send PM  to stereth   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Very nice work on the rail splitter. I know those things aren't easy to solder. Nice photos too.

What kind of a case is that? Looks a little bigger than the mint tins we have around here.

goldbond, yes, they're strip sockets. You buy them in rows of 40 or so and cut to whatever size you need. And they look very nice on that PCB...

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Edit Message Message [#9] posted on: 10-22-2003 06:01 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Thanks, Stereth.
This is a mint tin case. "Velamints Chocolate Mints"
Size of this tin is smaller than Altoids one.
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Edit Message Message [#10] posted on: 10-22-2003 07:33 AM CST (US).    View Profile for aos   Send PM  to aos   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
sijosae this is great, it may save me as I need a rail splitter that can supply 40-50mA and TLE2426 is spec'd at only 20mA. Normally I use a buffer but the one I had in mind works only to 12V and I need 24V.

Output impedance might be a bit high though with those 10 Ohm resistors. How about reducing them?

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Edit Message Message [#11] posted on: 10-22-2003 07:53 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
aos, upper schematic is oriented to battery use. (i.e. lower power consumption)
As you supposed, reducing output resistors and using higher hFE transistors would be much better.

Anyway, this is the size comparison of SMD-version, TO-92 version, and DIP-8 type TLE2426.

PCB size of the TO-92 version is 10x7.5mm. I like this TO-92 version.

[Edited by sijosae on 10-22-2003 at 11:17 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#12] posted on: 10-25-2003 01:49 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Budgie   Send PM  to Budgie   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Your solder joints and layout are beautiful! Like fine art.
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Edit Message Message [#13] posted on: 10-25-2003 05:42 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Gariver   Send PM  to Gariver   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Sijosae that's very nice work! The photos look very sharp too!

Goldbond...
You can buy Mill-Max IC Socket Strips from Digikey. It's kind of tricky. So I suggest you 1st get a Digikey catalog and study all the strips. Once you are sure, you can order.

OK. The tricky part is that the number of holes per strip is part of the Digikey part number. With that number, a Digikey employee cuts the strip to the number of holes you need. Get it? It is easy to screw up, believe me.

www.digikey.com

Another way of learning to use the right IC Socket Strips is to get a Mill-Max catalog. It sure helps! Well, at least it helped me. You can get one at the link below.

www.mill-max.com

Good luck to you!

[Edited by Gariver on 10-25-2003 at 10:49 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#14] posted on: 10-25-2003 06:05 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Gariver   Send PM  to Gariver   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Budgie, I really liked your comment: "Like fine art." It sure is like fine art.

Well, it just so happens that Sijosae is an artist also. The drawing he did of Dr Zhivago is 1st class, very professional. It is very detailed and realistic drawing, not abstract.

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Edit Message Message [#15] posted on: 10-27-2003 01:10 PM CST (US).    View Profile for goldbond   Send PM  to goldbond   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Thanks to all that replied for my query. I think I found what I need at Mouser, which I prefer to order from. (they're just a 4 hour drive from where I live, so shipping is dirt cheap and the parts get there in 2 days.) The part link is here -

http://www.mouse...&e_pcodeid=5067

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Edit Message Message [#16] posted on: 11-04-2003 11:05 PM CST (US).    View Profile for huangyong   Send PM  to huangyong   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Can replace the transistors with FETs????
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Edit Message Message [#17] posted on: 12-18-2003 09:38 PM CST (US).    View Profile for arie   Send PM  to arie   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Sijosae, I built one of your rail splitters and it works great! Something I noticed though is that the TO-92 transistors I'm using are getting a little hot. They seem to stablize at an almost too hot to touch but no more and I've run the amp for over an hour now. I'm only using 9 volts and I was wondering if this is normal behavior for the circuit or if something is wrong.
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Edit Message Message [#18] posted on: 12-19-2003 01:38 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
arie, I think something wrong. However I don't know what is problem.
IMO, you should check the diode polarity.

If above schematic was used, almost no heat in any components.

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Edit Message Message [#19] posted on: 12-19-2003 06:59 AM CST (US).    View Profile for arie   Send PM  to arie   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
I think I found the problem, and it does have to do with the diodes. Although their polarity is correct, they are not connected to anything else but themselves. It pays do double check all of the component connections. :)
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Edit Message Message [#20] posted on: 12-19-2003 08:42 AM CST (US).    View Profile for fwh1599   Send PM  to fwh1599   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Good idea.
I can't see your SCH(pic)?
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Edit Message Message [#21] posted on: 12-19-2003 09:40 AM CST (US).    View Profile for sijosae   Send PM  to sijosae   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
fwh1599, I am sorry for confusing you.

"above schematic" means this;

[Edited by sijosae on 12-19-2003 at 09:41 AM.]

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