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Welly Wu

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Edit Message Message [#1] posted on: 05-25-2004 11:18 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Welly Wu   Send PM  to Welly Wu   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
REVIEWER EQUIPMENT EXPERIENCE:
I owned both the Grado RS-1 and Sennheiser HD600 flagship headphones; I also owned the Etymotic Research ER-4P/S and I use the Ultimate Ears UE-10 PRO earphones. For headphone amplifiers, I owned the HeadRoom Cosmic (with Reference Module), but I use a Ray Samuels Emmeline HR-2. I owned both the DiMarzio High Resolution and M-PATH, but I use the Cardas Neutral Reference interconnecting cables. My power conditioner is a Balanced Power Technologies BP.Jr. II Ultra and I use the Cardas Golden Reference and PS Audio xStream Plus power cords. For sources, I owned a Panasonic SL-CT570, Apple iPod, NAD C541i and Denon DVD 2900. My current source is a Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi.

REVIEWER BIASES:
I prefer my sound akin to a mug of Starbucks Italian Roast coffee: warm, full-bodied, dark, and boldly rich with hints of sweetness.

MUSIC SELECTIONS:
• Toby Keith Shock ‘N Ya’ll (HDCD)
• Eagles Hotel California (HDCD)
• Norah Jones Come Away with Me, Feels Like Home
• Sade Lover’s Rock (HDCD)
• The White Stripes Elephant
• Linkin Park Meteora
• Renee Fleming Bel Canto, By Request, Under the Stars
• Andrea Bocelli Sogno, Sentimento, Cieli Di Toscana
• Hans Zimmer Gladiator
• Rachel Podger Antonio Vivaldi: La Stravaganza: 12 Violin Concertos
• Anne-Sophie Mutter Vivaldi: The Four Seasons (DVD-Audio)
• The Beach Boys Pet Sounds (DVD-Audio)
• Fleetwood Mac Say You Will (DVD-Audio)
• Sting Sacred Love (DVD-Audio)
• Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (DVD-Audio)
• Roxy Music Avalon (Hybrid SACD)
• Diana Krall The Girl in the Other Room (Hybrid SACD)
• Original Motion Picture Soundtrack: Top Gun (Single Layer SACD)
• Anne-Sophie Mutter Beethoven: Violin Concerto / Romances (Single Layer SACD)
• Midori Debussy, Poulene, Saint-Saens (Single Layer SACD)
• Nikolaus Harnoncourt Anton Bruckner: Symphony No.9 (Hybrid SACD)

ETYMOTIC RESEARCH ER-4P/S: http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.asp
The Etymotic Research ER-4P/S is perhaps the best selling audiophile earphone on the market…period. It vaunts an impressive average sound isolation rating of 22db-32dB NRR. This is a versatile canal phone: the ER-4P is easy to drive (~ 25 ohms) and sounds warm while the ER-4S is harder to drive (~ 105 ohms) and sounds neutral. Designed for portable usage where high sound isolation is a necessity, newer versions feature thinly braided cables that reduce microphonics.
Owners love them for their extremely clear, detailed, and resolved sound. Furthermore, imaging and separation of instruments are par excellence. For example, I can hear fingers squeaking up and down the neck of a guitar. As another example, I can hear whether a musician breathes through his nostrils or a slack jaw.
Yet, owners acknowledge their paucities. They have criticized them for anemic bass and shrill treble. For example, I can hear bass notes but I do not feel the visceral slam. As another example, notes beyond the 12.5 KHz threshold sound piercing because of the limitations associated with the single bore / driver design (that leads to clipping). The soundstage is narrow and hemmed in. There are other quibbles. Owners must periodically replace the filters and ear tips to keep them clean. While the thinly braided cables reduce microphonics, they fail to eradicate them due to an inherent design flaw of the earphones. Lastly, the ER-4P/S is a single bore / driver design that is nearly a decade old.

ULTIMATE EARS UE-10 PRO: http://www.ultimateears.com/UE-10_PRO.htm
The Ultimate Ears UE-10 PRO incorporate the best features of the ER-4P/S, but UE takes it to the pinnacle level of performance. In other words, it retains the same level of extreme detail, resolution, clarity…and more. For example, each note embodies its own full-bodied shape: Renee Fleming, who has the voice of a seraph, sounds so convincingly real that I feel she sings only for me. As another example, the whole hemisphere of my brain becomes the soundstage: imaging, instrument separation, and multiple layers of sound take on a three-dimensional, holographic realism. Bass exudes full-bodied warmth: these are the Ultimate Earphones for bassheads! Midrange maintains clarity, extreme accuracy, and transparency. Trebles extend up far while still sounding silky smooth. Changes in dynamics or tempo occur at the speed of light.
Other key features make the UE-10 PRO unrivaled in the in-ear monitor business: it provides an average a sound isolation rating of 26dB NRR that should be adequate for portable usage in even the noisiest environments. If done correctly, then the ear impressions provide the ultimate level of comfort for extended periods; I can even sleep with them in my ears. With the UE, there are no “hidden costs:” owners do not need to replace filters or ear tips. Its’ extremely low impedance (13.3 ohms) permits owners to use them with any source. While this obviates the necessity of a headphone amplifier, I still highly recommend using one! The thinly braided cord loops behind each ear and eliminates microphonics. Owners can detach/replace cords of different lengths/colors and choose from a variety of different colors (or color swirls) along with having their initials engraved on both earpieces. Lastly, owners get a Heavy Metal CaseTM to safeguard their costly investment.
Speaking of price, it costs $900 USD for the hard acrylic or “full soft” material, up to $50 USD for the audiologist fees, and an additional $50 USD for the full-soft material along with shipping and handling fees. Please note owners cannot resell them because UE cannot remanufacture an existing set of ear impressions for another person.

CONCLUSIONS:
If you can afford them, then I recommend the Ultimate Ears UE-10 PRO over the Etymotic Research ER-4P/S unhesitatingly: there is no comparison…period. I daresay that the UE-10 PRO will work well with any audio system. Once you hear the UE-10 PRO play your favorite song, I guarantee you will believe every penny paid was totally worth it. UE sets the benchmark for customer service – they lavish you with the “rock star treatment.” If you want the best in IEM design and technology, then the UE-10 PRO is the ultimate solution.

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Edit Message Message [#2] posted on: 05-25-2004 06:00 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Garbz   Send PM  to Garbz   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Fantastic review Welly Wu. That's also a very fine cd test collectiong. I'm a bit jealous that you own the Diana Krall SACD though :D
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Edit Message Message [#3] posted on: 06-06-2004 06:20 AM CST (US).    View Profile for huy   Send PM  to huy   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi,

So how is the UE-10 PRO compare to the E5C ? Have you ever tried the E5C ?

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Welly Wu


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Edit Message Message [#4] posted on: 06-06-2004 11:53 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Welly Wu   Send PM  to Welly Wu   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Huy:

I never tried the UE-5c. Sorry...

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Edit Message Message [#5] posted on: 06-13-2004 04:16 PM CST (US).    View Profile for cu3ed   Send PM  to cu3ed   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
UE-10 PRO Do i read that right $900 bucks yea right.....ER•4 MicroPro around $330, maybe cheaper, seems harsh that with all the treatment the people at ultimate ears give you that u compare them to the er4s!
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Edit Message Message [#6] posted on: 06-30-2004 07:59 PM CST (US).    View Profile for siawash   Send PM  to siawash   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hello, I heard somewhere that in order for the Etymotic phones to sound their best they have to be custom fitted. I.e. you have to go to an ear specialist to get imprint of your ear canal using silicon, then send to Etymotic.

Without custom fitting there would be sound leakage.

If this is the case it would mean I cannot take advantage of special offers for ER-40 & 4S at $200.

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Edit Message Message [#7] posted on: 06-30-2004 08:11 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Welly Wu   Send PM  to Welly Wu   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
That is not entirely true. You can still get a perfect seal with the foam or white rubber flange tips. The quality of the seal is produced by insertion and removal techniques not on the material. I don't know about getting a custom ear impression for the ER-4P/S in terms of maintaining the highest level of audio fidelity as the stock foam / rubber tips were fine for me.
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Edit Message Message [#8] posted on: 07-01-2004 10:52 AM CST (US).    View Profile for siawash   Send PM  to siawash   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
How do you compare the 4p against the 4S???

Thanks
SS

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Edit Message Message [#9] posted on: 11-07-2004 02:04 PM CST (US).    View Profile for salohcin   Send PM  to salohcin   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
CAn you please compare the ER-4S and UE-7,5?
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Edit Message Message [#10] posted on: 11-24-2004 01:28 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Reticuli   Send PM  to Reticuli   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Interesting, but I hardly consider a price difference of 3 times being fair. You might as well just get the er4p w/ the s cable and the 50ohm cable, then buy the Senn 650's and call it a day. hell, you could still throw in a nice little amp for another $300. Maybe if you have a grand to blow it's the be all end all of headphones.

[Edited by Reticuli on 11-27-2004 at 07:12 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#11] posted on: 12-22-2004 07:26 PM CST (US).    View Profile for fuzzy   Send PM  to fuzzy   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Its been a while since I posted here but this interests me.
Regardless of price differences I would be very, very interested to hear more detailed comparison between these 2 cans. Me, having owned the ER4s for 8 years now, with custom molds almost as long, strongly believe that with out custom molds on the ER4S you don't have a fair comparison. The shrillness goes away and there is phenominal bass. Nothing out there reproduces organ pedal notes like the Etys, not even my Stax Omega 2s! But I could never achieve that result with just the regular tips. I recorded binaurally a technomix in a club with lots of bass. This recording has so much bass it is literally unplayable on anything *but* the Etys, its just like you are there: lots of bass with no distortion other then from the amp. These are stunning phones! The only faults? 1: The microphonic cable and 2: I cant really sleep with them on long airplane flights. The transducers stick out of the molds and are uncomfortable. Do the ultimate Ears UE 10s fix these issues? Not having to use a headphone amp is very important to me as a portable user. Even an Airhead is another luggable item in my bag. So even If the UE 10 pro's don't sound that much better but are more practical we have part of the extra cost already worth it right there.
And not having to buy an amp saves money.

Reticuli: The Sennheiser 650 to my ears don't hold a candle to the ER4S. The only thing about them is I can still hear arround me and don't need a big amp like the omegas (or do I ?). Otherwise they are slighly bright compared to a live signal and the Etys and the Omega both agree in comparison. Live recorde punk rock hurts in my ears, more then it should. This brighness makes organs harsh sounding. Violins tend to get edgy. Baroque trumpets in a distant 2 mike stereo recording should sound very warm and spaciously mellow. Not stand out strong and bold, totally unlike the real performance I listened to, some soprano voices get changes enough were I am not sure if I recognize the singers. The Etys and the Stax Omega agree much more when it comes to a live classical concert listend to live and then recorded state of the art and listened to with all these cans. The Sennheiser is artificially bright and it does not matter what DA converter, amp or cables it is hooked up to. Unless the Headroom Blockhead amp totally changes the sound I don't quite care for these. But that is a lot of money and I might just stick with the beautifully detailed Omega and take a chance and buy the UEs. But seriously how does the Ultimate Ear stack up in a fair mmatch with the Etymotic ER4S. Has anyone compared molded etys to these golden ears UE-10s? I am very tempted to try if no one comes forward and hope to report then.

Fuzzy

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Edit Message Message [#12] posted on: 01-24-2005 01:40 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Russell Dawkins   Send PM  to Russell Dawkins   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Re: the need for custom ear molds for Etymõtic ER 4s, I had some made and it was a complete waste of time and not a little money. They sounded better (tighter bass) with the supplied foam, although I always use the silicon for convenience - facilitates removal/replacement. My advise: do not waste your money , go with stock setup. I mentioned this to the guys at Etymõtic and they agreed. By the way, the reason I went to all this trouble was I felt I could use more oomph at the bass end of things and an article written years ago in Stereophile suggested that this would do it. In addition, the mold was uncomfortable. Recently, I had the opportunity to compare the Sennheiser 600s with the ER4Ss. No comparison - I think the 600s sounded VERY wrong! Flabby, muddy bass and way too much of it and slow, inarticulate rooled-off highs. Made me wonder what universe "audiophiles" live in.
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Edit Message Message [#13] posted on: 04-19-2005 03:26 PM CST (US).    View Profile for S. Garland   Send PM  to S. Garland   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
I also had some custom molds or impressions made for the in-ear monitors (prices varied locally from $15 to $300 for a pair of impressions!).

My results were not favorable. When they showed up, the seal wasn't good and the sound was horrible. For the first round, the manufacturer blamed me for not knowing how to put them in (yeah. Right!). Then, for round two, they will blame the audiologist who did the impression. The audiologist then blamed the manufacturer for trimming too much. After a while, neither will talk to you (damhik!) and they certainly won't talk to each other as neither thinks they can make a mistake.

Note that the big three custom in-canal manufacturers: Sensaphonics, Westone, and Ultimate Ears all offer 30 days on the impression fit and some from the time they are shipped - not when you recieve them. If they don't fit who is to blame and how will you resolve it? None offer a money-back guarantee (as they are custom made) so if it doesn't work, you are out $700-900 depending on what you bought.

It's a gamble on fit and you can be out a lot of money if the fit becomes a finger pointing game. If you "think" $900 is expensive, you may be better off forgeting about something as extravagant as custom made in-ear phones.

A jar of petroleum jelley should not be a requirement to assure fitment of custom molded plugs - but it can! Buyer beware.

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Edit Message Message [#14] posted on: 08-08-2006 11:13 PM CST (US).    View Profile for rrivera72   Send PM  to rrivera72   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Does anyone know where I can purchase a chu moy hans portable headphone amp, or the PPA headphone amp, or even be wiling to build one of those and sell it to me?
I'm searching for am amp that can push my 300 OHM headphones to 300 mW's or better with excellent clarity and detail.
If so, please let me know. I am no good at buinding electronics, that's not my thing, mixing music is and the wires asociated with that is bad enough when running 5 amps into multiple speakers.
Please let me know.
Thank you all,

Rafael

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Edit Message Message [#15] posted on: 08-08-2006 11:16 PM CST (US).    View Profile for rrivera72   Send PM  to rrivera72   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Excuse the typos,
I also forgot to mention that I'm interested in a dual mono unit with bass contour and selectable gain.

Thanks again,

Rafael

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