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| Welly Wu Joined: N/A | Message [#1] posted on: 05-25-2004 11:18 AM CST (US). REVIEWER EQUIPMENT EXPERIENCE: I owned both the Grado RS-1 and Sennheiser HD600 flagship headphones; I also owned the Etymotic Research ER-4P/S and I use the Ultimate Ears UE-10 PRO earphones. For headphone amplifiers, I owned the HeadRoom Cosmic (with Reference Module), but I use a Ray Samuels Emmeline HR-2. I owned both the DiMarzio High Resolution and M-PATH, but I use the Cardas Neutral Reference interconnecting cables. My power conditioner is a Balanced Power Technologies BP.Jr. II Ultra and I use the Cardas Golden Reference and PS Audio xStream Plus power cords. For sources, I owned a Panasonic SL-CT570, Apple iPod, NAD C541i and Denon DVD 2900. My current source is a Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi. REVIEWER BIASES: MUSIC SELECTIONS: ETYMOTIC RESEARCH ER-4P/S: http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.asp ULTIMATE EARS UE-10 PRO: http://www.ultimateears.com/UE-10_PRO.htm CONCLUSIONS: |
Garbz![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: Nov. 14, 2003 | Message [#2] posted on: 05-25-2004 06:00 PM CST (US). Fantastic review Welly Wu. That's also a very fine cd test collectiong. I'm a bit jealous that you own the Diana Krall SACD though :D |
huy![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#3] posted on: 06-06-2004 06:20 AM CST (US). Hi, So how is the UE-10 PRO compare to the E5C ? Have you ever tried the E5C ? Cheers, |
Welly Wu![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#4] posted on: 06-06-2004 11:53 AM CST (US). Huy: I never tried the UE-5c. Sorry... |
cu3ed![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#5] posted on: 06-13-2004 04:16 PM CST (US). UE-10 PRO Do i read that right $900 bucks yea right.....ER•4 MicroPro around $330, maybe cheaper, seems harsh that with all the treatment the people at ultimate ears give you that u compare them to the er4s! |
siawash![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#6] posted on: 06-30-2004 07:59 PM CST (US). Hello, I heard somewhere that in order for the Etymotic phones to sound their best they have to be custom fitted. I.e. you have to go to an ear specialist to get imprint of your ear canal using silicon, then send to Etymotic. Without custom fitting there would be sound leakage. If this is the case it would mean I cannot take advantage of special offers for ER-40 & 4S at $200. |
Welly Wu![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#7] posted on: 06-30-2004 08:11 PM CST (US). That is not entirely true. You can still get a perfect seal with the foam or white rubber flange tips. The quality of the seal is produced by insertion and removal techniques not on the material. I don't know about getting a custom ear impression for the ER-4P/S in terms of maintaining the highest level of audio fidelity as the stock foam / rubber tips were fine for me. |
siawash![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#8] posted on: 07-01-2004 10:52 AM CST (US). How do you compare the 4p against the 4S??? Thanks |
salohcin![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#9] posted on: 11-07-2004 02:04 PM CST (US). CAn you please compare the ER-4S and UE-7,5? |
Reticuli![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#10] posted on: 11-24-2004 01:28 AM CST (US). Interesting, but I hardly consider a price difference of 3 times being fair. You might as well just get the er4p w/ the s cable and the 50ohm cable, then buy the Senn 650's and call it a day. hell, you could still throw in a nice little amp for another $300. Maybe if you have a grand to blow it's the be all end all of headphones. [Edited by Reticuli on 11-27-2004 at 07:12 PM.] |
fuzzy![]() ![]() ![]() Headphone Council Joined: N/A | Message [#11] posted on: 12-22-2004 07:26 PM CST (US). Its been a while since I posted here but this interests me. Regardless of price differences I would be very, very interested to hear more detailed comparison between these 2 cans. Me, having owned the ER4s for 8 years now, with custom molds almost as long, strongly believe that with out custom molds on the ER4S you don't have a fair comparison. The shrillness goes away and there is phenominal bass. Nothing out there reproduces organ pedal notes like the Etys, not even my Stax Omega 2s! But I could never achieve that result with just the regular tips. I recorded binaurally a technomix in a club with lots of bass. This recording has so much bass it is literally unplayable on anything *but* the Etys, its just like you are there: lots of bass with no distortion other then from the amp. These are stunning phones! The only faults? 1: The microphonic cable and 2: I cant really sleep with them on long airplane flights. The transducers stick out of the molds and are uncomfortable. Do the ultimate Ears UE 10s fix these issues? Not having to use a headphone amp is very important to me as a portable user. Even an Airhead is another luggable item in my bag. So even If the UE 10 pro's don't sound that much better but are more practical we have part of the extra cost already worth it right there. And not having to buy an amp saves money. Reticuli: The Sennheiser 650 to my ears don't hold a candle to the ER4S. The only thing about them is I can still hear arround me and don't need a big amp like the omegas (or do I ?). Otherwise they are slighly bright compared to a live signal and the Etys and the Omega both agree in comparison. Live recorde punk rock hurts in my ears, more then it should. This brighness makes organs harsh sounding. Violins tend to get edgy. Baroque trumpets in a distant 2 mike stereo recording should sound very warm and spaciously mellow. Not stand out strong and bold, totally unlike the real performance I listened to, some soprano voices get changes enough were I am not sure if I recognize the singers. The Etys and the Stax Omega agree much more when it comes to a live classical concert listend to live and then recorded state of the art and listened to with all these cans. The Sennheiser is artificially bright and it does not matter what DA converter, amp or cables it is hooked up to. Unless the Headroom Blockhead amp totally changes the sound I don't quite care for these. But that is a lot of money and I might just stick with the beautifully detailed Omega and take a chance and buy the UEs. But seriously how does the Ultimate Ear stack up in a fair mmatch with the Etymotic ER4S. Has anyone compared molded etys to these golden ears UE-10s? I am very tempted to try if no one comes forward and hope to report then. Fuzzy |
| Russell Dawkins Member Joined: Jan. 24, 2005 | Message [#12] posted on: 01-24-2005 01:40 AM CST (US). Re: the need for custom ear molds for Etymõtic ER 4s, I had some made and it was a complete waste of time and not a little money. They sounded better (tighter bass) with the supplied foam, although I always use the silicon for convenience - facilitates removal/replacement. My advise: do not waste your money , go with stock setup. I mentioned this to the guys at Etymõtic and they agreed. By the way, the reason I went to all this trouble was I felt I could use more oomph at the bass end of things and an article written years ago in Stereophile suggested that this would do it. In addition, the mold was uncomfortable. Recently, I had the opportunity to compare the Sennheiser 600s with the ER4Ss. No comparison - I think the 600s sounded VERY wrong! Flabby, muddy bass and way too much of it and slow, inarticulate rooled-off highs. Made me wonder what universe "audiophiles" live in. |
| S. Garland Member Joined: N/A | Message [#13] posted on: 04-19-2005 03:26 PM CST (US). I also had some custom molds or impressions made for the in-ear monitors (prices varied locally from $15 to $300 for a pair of impressions!). My results were not favorable. When they showed up, the seal wasn't good and the sound was horrible. For the first round, the manufacturer blamed me for not knowing how to put them in (yeah. Right!). Then, for round two, they will blame the audiologist who did the impression. The audiologist then blamed the manufacturer for trimming too much. After a while, neither will talk to you (damhik!) and they certainly won't talk to each other as neither thinks they can make a mistake. Note that the big three custom in-canal manufacturers: Sensaphonics, Westone, and Ultimate Ears all offer 30 days on the impression fit and some from the time they are shipped - not when you recieve them. If they don't fit who is to blame and how will you resolve it? None offer a money-back guarantee (as they are custom made) so if it doesn't work, you are out $700-900 depending on what you bought. It's a gamble on fit and you can be out a lot of money if the fit becomes a finger pointing game. If you "think" $900 is expensive, you may be better off forgeting about something as extravagant as custom made in-ear phones. A jar of petroleum jelley should not be a requirement to assure fitment of custom molded plugs - but it can! Buyer beware. |
| rrivera72 Member Joined: Aug. 6, 2006 | Message [#14] posted on: 08-08-2006 11:13 PM CST (US). Does anyone know where I can purchase a chu moy hans portable headphone amp, or the PPA headphone amp, or even be wiling to build one of those and sell it to me? I'm searching for am amp that can push my 300 OHM headphones to 300 mW's or better with excellent clarity and detail. If so, please let me know. I am no good at buinding electronics, that's not my thing, mixing music is and the wires asociated with that is bad enough when running 5 amps into multiple speakers. Please let me know. Thank you all, Rafael |
| rrivera72 Member Joined: Aug. 6, 2006 | Message [#15] posted on: 08-08-2006 11:16 PM CST (US). Excuse the typos, I also forgot to mention that I'm interested in a dual mono unit with bass contour and selectable gain. Thanks again, Rafael |
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