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Jan Meier

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Edit Message Message [#1] posted on: 12-26-2003 12:34 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Jan Meier   Send PM  to Jan Meier   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Dear Headfellows,

Last week I received a first load of the newest Beyerdynamic headphones; DT440, DT660, and DT860. Also, a few weeks earlier I received copies of the new AKG K310 XTRA and the K271 Studio. As few of you have shown interest in these phones I would like to share some of my impressions.

Please be aware that I didn't listen to these phones extensively. XMas is not the time to spend a lot of time with work and headphones. Moreover, just a few days ago I got a Sennheiser Orpheus for demonstration purposes and since I will have it for 2 weeks only you will well understand what my preferences are right now! :-)
Nonetheless all phones were given a decent break-in of around 48 hours.

Optically the new Beyerdynamic phones are all very similar. At close inspection only the metal grids of the earcups are differently.
These earcups are very well built and the velvet pads are very comfortable. Grey and black colors dominate and make for a modern but classy look.
The headband is the same as that on the Ultrasone and Ixos headphones. It's sturdy and foldable and of high quality. It's also rather heavy though and the weight of the phones is pretty high (320 - 350 grams). Nonetheless comfort level is very good.
A one-sided (non-coiled!) cord of substantial quality finishes the picture. The cable shows very low microphonics only. First (optical) impressions are very good indeed.

All three headphones have a low impedance of 32 Ohms and can easily be driven directly out of a portable.

DT860

The DT860 is an open headphone that comes in a nice leather-look carrying bag with a soft foam padding. Nice!
Sonically, when driven at zero Ohm output impedance, this phone has a clean, detailed, and forward sound. Bass is slightly lacking and the phone tends to be shouty at higher sound levels. From memory I feel strongly remembered to the Grado SR225 that I had for testing 2 years ago. The Beyerdynamic is just a tad less aggressive. Sonically this phone is not entirely my cup of tea but I could well understand if other people like its brilliant and fast sound.
Situation changes drastically when the phone is driven by a headphone jack with an increased output impedance (many receivers and/or power amplifiers, the 120 Ohm output jack on my PREHEAD). The balance of this phone now becomes very similar to that of my DT931 (with upgrade cable and driven at 120 Ohm!). An open and clean sound but bass has become stronger and overall sound is tight and fast. My DT931 is still a little bit more refined but I really wonder what a truly nice cable and a prolonged break-in would do to the DT860. I liked this sound. Be aware that, when driven at 120 Ohm, the amplifier needs a large voltage swing to achieve adequate sound levels.

DT660

The DT660 is a closed version of the DT860. It doesn't come with a carrying bag but instead a second pair of earpads is added. The owner can choose between velvet pads and leather-like pads. Sonically the DT660 and DT860 are very similar. The DT860 has a slightly cleaner sound and better bass but differences are small indeed.
For a closed headphone the DT660 shows very low coloration. Isolation seems to be of medium level.

DT440

This open headphone struck me by surprise. It is by far the cheapest headphone of the three but when driven from low output impedances (portable players, most headphone amplifiers) it has clearly the most natural balance. Especially the treble is less pronounced than that of the DT660/860. Bass slightly lacks some substance and overall sound is a little bit soft, but I really liked this phone. For portable applications a very fine choice indeed. Highly recommended

The two AKG headphones are very different in style. They have a light-weight self-adjusting headband and large leather-like earpads. Comfort as such is high. Unfortunately the plastic used for the earcups seems to be very thin and resonant and the thin one-sided cable is clearly microphonic. Built quality is adequate but not as high as that of the Beyerdynamics.


K301 XTRA

Optically this is a very nice and flashy design but sonically I was a little bit disappointed. The sound is warm and spacious but also a bit muffled. The sonic balance is in between that of the HD650 and the DT931 (at 120 Ohm) but the phone clearly shows less detail. Suited for relaxed and comfortable listening but I simply miss some sparkling.

K271 Studio

The design of this phone is very close to that of the classic AKG models from the past and is clearly optimized for professional use. No fancy lookings but instead a more functional design with a cord that can be easily replaced.
The phone sounds very spacious and sometimes a little bit hollow and (to my ears) has a slight emphasis on the upper midrange. Sound is non-aggressive and easy to listen to. Little coloration for a closed system. In my opinion a fine headphone, although not outstanding.

I also did some listening to the Orpheus of course, but I won't bother you with my impressions on this one yet! :-)

Happy listenings,

Jan

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Edit Message Message [#2] posted on: 12-26-2003 04:19 PM CST (US).    View Profile for nubjamin   Send PM  to nubjamin   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
awesome, thanks for the reviews! i'm curious as to how the beyer 660s compare to some of the other closed beyers, like the dt-250s, 770s, etc. also, can you give us a rough idea of price range for these?
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Edit Message Message [#3] posted on: 12-28-2003 11:41 AM CST (US).    View Profile for philodox   Send PM  to philodox   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi Jan... I am a happy owner of a AKG 271 Studio myself... although I havent had the pleasure of compairing them against these new beyers... just wondering if you gave them some time to burn in before the compairison? I have noticed a huge increase in the detail of these cans after burn in and the lower end really opened up, which might make that upper midrange a little less empasized... I have noticed the problem with the cabling that you pointed out... I'm thinking about getting a custom made cable in the future... but I know nothing about it, and need to do a little research... its not a huge problem for me anyways as I am usually stationary when listening to them (on the bus or at home)... oh btw... they may be less flashy than a lot of these silver cans on the market... but now that I'm used to them I think they look great. <big grin>

[Edited by philodox on 12-28-2003 at 11:43 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#4] posted on: 12-29-2003 09:14 AM CST (US).    View Profile for Jan Meier   Send PM  to Jan Meier   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Dear Nubjambin,

My homepage will soon be updated and show the prices.

The DT660 is clearly more bright than the DT250 and DT770. It's very comparable to the DT831

Hi Philodox,

The K271 was given a break-in of approximately 48 hours. Further use might indeed improve performance but I never checked.

General note: Today my girl-friend returned from a short holiday. First thing she listened to was of course the Orpheus but after that she tested and compared DT860/HD650. Guess what, she preferred the DT860 to the HD650! The only problem is, that she has a rather small head and that the headband of the Beyer is a little bit too large for a comfortable fit. Not a problem for me, but I'm a bighead!

:-)

Jan

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Edit Message Message [#5] posted on: 12-29-2003 12:55 PM CST (US).    View Profile for MERTON   Send PM  to MERTON   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
ya. burn in is wierd.. it seems like my ms2's are still burning in (500 hours at LEAST!). there are little details i'm hearing clearlier and clearlier!
but the ultrasone are better than the 271, eh? (that's the meat of the thing!)
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Edit Message Message [#6] posted on: 12-29-2003 04:08 PM CST (US).    View Profile for philodox   Send PM  to philodox   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
jan did a review of some new beyerdynamics and akg headphones (including the 271)... there was no mention of the ultrasone line in his review <rolling eyes>
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Edit Message Message [#7] posted on: 12-29-2003 04:31 PM CST (US).    View Profile for MERTON   Send PM  to MERTON   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
i know. but he remarks of the ultrasone as being one of the best closed systems ever... yet he said the k271 just did kinda good.
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Edit Message Message [#8] posted on: 12-30-2003 10:59 AM CST (US).    View Profile for philodox   Send PM  to philodox   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
"The phone sounds very spacious and sometimes a little bit hollow and (to my ears) has a slight emphasis on the upper midrange. Sound is non-aggressive and easy to listen to. Little coloration for a closed system. In my opinion a fine headphone, although not outstanding."

The only negative critique that Jan makes of the AKG headphones is that they are "a little bit hollow" and have a "slight emphasis on the upper midrange". Those are both very minor problems IMO. I don’t see him calling them "kinda good" anywhere. He calls them a "fine headphone". I took this to be fine as in a fine wine... I guess you took fine to be average. He says they aren’t outstanding, but what is outstanding? Perhaps the Ultrasone is, perhaps not... he does not say here. And which Ultrasone are we talking about anyways? The edition 7? I should hope that it is better with its price tag. If you are talking about the 650, from what I have read elsewhere they are both good, but different. Some people like one and some like the other. The following rating was posted by bangraman on head-fi. It compares the 271 to the 650 and the sennheiser hd25's. (He does say that all three are good)

Sound (including bass) definition unamped: HD25, HFI-650, K271
Sound (including bass) definition amped (with META class gear): HFI-650 <> HD25, K271
Sound (including bass) definition amped (with above META class gear): K271, HD25, HFI-650
General 'audiophilic' marking: K271, HFI-650 <> HD25
Sibilance (worst first): HD25, HFI-650, K271
Comfort (Team Titanic Noggin disclaimer, your results may vary): K271, HFI-650, HD25
Portability: HFI-650, HD25, K271

His comparison aside, the gist that I get from reading other posts on the topic is that the AKG 271 Studio has a more balanced sound and better bass and the Ultrasone 650 Trackmaster are more detailed. However some find the Ultrasone's to be 'sibilant' (I'm not even fully sure what that means yet) and some people just seem to love them.

I like my AKG's, but don’t have a set of Ultrasone's to compare and am not yet fluent enough in the headphone lingo in any case. <wink>

[Edited by philodox on 12-30-2003 at 11:02 AM.]

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Edit Message Message [#9] posted on: 12-30-2003 07:29 PM CST (US).    View Profile for MERTON   Send PM  to MERTON   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
sorry. it's just the sense i got. he did say that the ultrasone was one of the best closed systems he ever heard though (not the edition 7). but he does like high highs for listening at very low levels. i'll try to not do that again.

bah! just don't read my posts anymore.

oh.. and jan... please compare the 271 to the 650 and 700.
that's where the dilemma lies for me... and maybe the cd3000k if ya ever get a chance... and maybe the w1000 too (and so one blah)

[Edited by MERTON on 12-30-2003 at 07:33 PM.]

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Edit Message Message [#10] posted on: 01-01-2004 01:01 PM CST (US).    View Profile for philodox   Send PM  to philodox   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
ok, fair enough... sorry if I jumped down your throat... I just got put off by your original tone... <smile>

that would be an interesting comparison... if Jan still has the 271's that is...

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Edit Message Message [#11] posted on: 01-23-2004 06:30 PM CST (US).    View Profile for dan the audioman   Send PM  to dan the audioman   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
How do the dt860's compare to the dt880's?

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Edit Message Message [#12] posted on: 01-26-2004 11:33 AM CST (US).    View Profile for MERTON   Send PM  to MERTON   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
jan.. please compare the k271 and the ultrasone 650 and 700 for me when you have time. please :)
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Edit Message Message [#13] posted on: 01-27-2004 03:28 PM CST (US).    View Profile for Jan Meier   Send PM  to Jan Meier   |  Quote Message in Reply  |  Report SPAM!
Hi Merton,

I did post my impressions on the Ultrasone headphones quite some time ago. I suggest you use the search action to find my comments.

Cheers,

Jan

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